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alara_r's fanon meme

selenak is incommunicado for all things theatrical_muse related, as is iamsab, and I'm all alone and bored. *sniff* (Though astrogirl2 did alleviate some of that last night, so hugs to her and Stark. *g*)

At any rate, meme-age. B5 still being my primary fandom, most of this commentary will be B5 related:



Fanons you like:

Londo/G'Kar: What? But theirloveissocanon! Er, actually, no, not precisely, though there is a lot of subtext in canon, my essay on which will be posted to ship_manifesto on October 1st. The biggest reason I love Londo/G'Kar fanon, besides the snark and angst and the ISSUES, is the fact that its writers, generally speaking, don't ignore the other important relationships which have shaped these characters, Londo in particular. Thus, Londo/G'Kar writers have also been known to write Londo/Adira, Londo/Urza, Londo/Timov, and Londo&Vir ampersand. omgOTP! in its truest sense is anathema.

Brachiarte: A fanon-invented (by andrastewhite, to give credit where credit is due) word for Londo's tentacles. And thank the Great Maker we have a word now. *g*

Fanon Lennier: kakodaimon, deborah_judge, and eye_of_a_cat all give us a great picture of a young man whose upbringing did not equip him to deal with normal sentient desires, pounding his muddled character arc into comprehensible submission. I particularly like the issues of balance that crop up in deborah_judge's Delenn/Lennier series, with the Minbari in the Third Age trying to find their way between desire and obedience, between home and universe. Those issues have influenced my own interpretation of Vir and the Centauri quite a bit, though they are trying to come to that center from the other side.

selenak's Centauri: Truly, all of us Centauriphiles are taking our cues from Se, whose understanding of Londo's world is probably the richest of all. She's shown us the politics, the art, the folk legends, and the music, and reminds us of the different social strata that render the imperial Centauri far from monolithic as a species.

Fanons you hate:

Marcus should be unfrozen: No. He shouldn't. Now, I admit, I never really liked him particularly and my opinion is colored by that fact. But honestly, which is the more engaging love story? The one in which the couple comes together, picks out china patterns, and lives happily ever after? Or the one in which two people who have an underlying attraction fail to grow in the ways necessary to make the pairing work? The one in which one of the characters makes the ultimate, permanent sacrifice to express a love he could never express in any other way because the other character could not learn to trust? To bring Marcus back would cheapen his tragedy. He should stay well and truly dead. (As should Sirius Black in the HP series, by the way. And as, I think, should Zhaan.)

Fanons or fanfic trends you started or popularized:

Londo/G'Kar: I wasn't alone in the upswell, but my innocent joke a year ago did seem to be one of the catalysts. And I think it also helps that there's now a place for these fics to be posted- a place I created. *g* That's my biggest fandom-related strength, I think. I'm not a terribly prolific writer, but I do encourage others.

Vir was emotionally neglected in childhood: This isn't being used by large numbers of people, but my extrapolation from a few lines in canon has made it into the works of a few other authors. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, but this is the interpretation that helped me make sense of Vir's emotional attachment to Londo despite his deep moral objection to Londo's politics, and I have to admit it is gratifying to see others adopt it.

Fanons of your own you wish other people would steal more often:

Centauri Prime was an ancient battleground for the Vorlons and the Shadows- and the Shadows won: I think this is an origins story that begs to be written.



ETA: A meme by spoonishly.

Your Lifetime Made For TV Movie by whitelight1
Username
You are played byYasmine Bleeth
Your love interesttimov_of_algul
Your love interest is played by:Kyle Secor
Your afflictionAlcoholism
Villainmr_morden
Villain is played byThomas Calabro
OutcomeBasic plotYou're thrown into a Mexican prison
OutcomeYou are locked up in a mental institution
Quiz created with MemeGen!


Dude, this has to be the tenth meme I've taken for Vir that casts Timov as his love interest. What's up with that? *g*

Comments

Marcus should be unfrozen: No. He shouldn't.

Oh, I so agree with you on this one and I'm a rabid Marcus fangirl. Have you read JMS's short story "Time, Space and the Incurable Romantic"? Because Marcus does get unfrozen, so it's not really fanon (just so very wrong).
Ditto, ditto, ditto. I *loooove* Marcus, he's my favourite of all the B5 characters, and that's saying something. But I completely agree. I cried when he used the machine, but at the same time I felt that it was the *natural*, the appropriate ending for his arc. He did what he did because he was that kind of person, and because Ivanova was the kind of person she was. He always was looking for "something worth dying for"...

(and yes. "Time, Space" *really* sucks. In my head, JMS only wrote it to get the rabid I/M shippers off his back, because I can't imagine him writing such terrible OOC stuff otherwise...)

Anyway, interesting meme :) I like.
Love your icon. Love, love, love. :)

And I agree. I was overjoyed when I heard of the story, and beat my head against my desk for several hours after reading it. Really. Because... ugh. I'd really rather JMS had left things as they were, than written that. Guess I'm not that rabid of an I/M shipper. It seems I like my pairings logical and *gasp* IC, too.

Cool meme. I should swipe it.
Poor Lennier needs a good deal of fanon to prop him up. Aside from needing much explanation (or rather, bringing out certain elements only hinted at, then neglected by JMS), what happens to him if left alone is just too unfair. I'm quite happy to see what some of us have done with it has made it into your fanon list.
The biggest reason I love Londo/G'Kar fanon, besides the snark and angst and the ISSUES, is the fact that its writers, generally speaking, don't ignore the other important relationships which have shaped these characters, Londo in particular.

God, WORD! This is one of my biggest annoyances in fanfic, and I love that this is one fandom where it's non-existant. Yay for sane people!

Re. T_M: selenak told me that you were interested in dealing with Al. I must admit that I shamelessly negleted him the past couple of weeks, but I'd be available for negotiations now ;) Even if Londo isn't available right now, we could at least discuss what to do if you'd like to.

Ooh, yes, let's talk. See, I don't know if you were monitoring the conversations between Carolyn and Vir weeks ago, but Vir sort of related to Carolyn on the wayward loved ones front and sort of promised to help her if Al got in trouble. Dangerous promise, yes? Anyway, as I was saying to Se over email, I want Vir to get into deep doo-doo over that. Which means Al has to get into trouble himself. Any ideas on that front?

Hi !

*waves* I've been meaning to write something to you for ages now. What I have to say is simply this : THANK YOU !!! for creating that Narn/Centauri site of yours :D. A year ago I was searching for something like that and couldn't find anything. Then some months ago I searched again and found selenak's stories at fanfiction.net and your page. So a big thank you for making a lone Londo/G'Kar fan feel less lonely ;-). I've also started to read my way through "theatrical muse" and I love how you write Vir.
And no, I'm not some mad stalker (at least I think so). I'm just a bit shy when it comes to approaching people.

Re: Hi !

Welcome and thank you! If you're looking for Londo/G'Kar, you've come to the right place. *g* I also urge you to get to know iamsab, andrastewhite, and kakodaimon. They are all excellent L/G'K writers and their meta is a treat as well.