Hobsonphile

*poke* weren't you going to write Lennier fic to feed my sick obsesion? Hm?

But, I have a question for your Vir: Does loving Londo make you feel responsible for his actions?

Oh, and let me squee about that amazing Vir/Morden fic you wrote. You get the nature of Vir's temptation perfectly - of course he would want to love someone and not have to judge him. And it's just so perfect that it's Morden. That scene, where he sneaks into the dungeon where Londo is holding Morden for execution and tells Morden about killing Cartagia. Wow. Write more! Please! The only thing that bothered me...after all those years with the multi-limbed Shadows, I would have thought that Morden would have been less impressed by Vir's, er, virility...

(heh, what a fun meme!)

Me, I'm fond of that story which explains how Vir saves Luc Deradi from having to committ suicide while simultanously placating the enraged Narn.*g* Otherwise, I agree with Deborah - your Vir/Morden story rules them all!

Please keep glaring. Mind you, with me being on the road again, I'll sometimes be late with replies, but these last two days have been torture.

The only problem with the Vir/Morden story, on second reading, was that truly awful double entendre about Morden's head on a pike...

I went to look up the Vir and Luc Deradi story. I don't know who Luc Deradi is, so I missed some of the references, but Vir sure was sexy. Only your Vir can make friendliness, loyalty, and willingness to compromise seem so attractive.

*poke* weren't you going to write Lennier fic to feed my sick obsesion? Hm?

Well, whitestar2 switched the assignments around for the Five Things challenge, so I now have G'Kar. But never fear! I'm following your advice and writing Vir/Lennier h/c for andrastewhite- and it will be from Lennier's perspective. The poor Minbari doesn't know what to do with his newfound knowledge- acquired during a difficult night for Vir- that Vir has a bit of an unrequited crush on him.

Now, allow me to give the keyboard to Vir for a second to answer your question:

Does loving Londo make you feel responsible for his actions?

*sighs sadly*

Yes. I have to admit, it does, even though I know in my mind that it shouldn't... even though Londo tells me all the time that I shouldn't feel responsible... that his actions are his own responsibility.

*hugs Vir* Poor baby, with all his assorted guilt complexes...

The only problem with the Vir/Morden story, on second reading, was that truly awful double entendre about Morden's head on a pike...

Oh my goodness! *lmao* Between you and selenak, I'm half tempted to try this Vir/Morden idea just for its sheer WTF-ness.

I went to look up the Vir and Luc Deradi story. I don't know who Luc Deradi is, so I missed some of the references, but Vir sure was sexy. Only your Vir can make friendliness, loyalty, and willingness to compromise seem so attractive.

Hmmm. Oh, yes, that's Vir all right- sex on a stick. *g*

To Vir: how does that guilt manifest itself in your life? Do you ever find yourself taking it out on Londo, even in small ways? Did you find yourself later in life taking it out on yourself? I'm curious because of the 'sin and exile' thing the Minbari have going - but Centauri don't seem to go into exile when they feel guilty, they go back to Centauri Prime and punish themselves there.

Re: the Vir/Lennier fic- I can't wait!! i'm squeeing in anticipation.

Re: the Vir/Morden fic - it's so good, actual existance could only improve it.

Oh, yes, that's Vir all right- sex on a stick. *g*

Er...so to speak...

To Vir: how does that guilt manifest itself in your life? Do you ever find yourself taking it out on Londo, even in small ways? Did you find yourself later in life taking it out on yourself? I'm curious because of the 'sin and exile' thing the Minbari have going - but Centauri don't seem to go into exile when they feel guilty, they go back to Centauri Prime and punish themselves there.

Only a few people in the history of our world have ever freely chosen exile. I met one of them while I was on Minbar. Vito Aleron. He was the head of the diplomatic mission there before I was. He and I... disagreed on a lot of things. I told him I didn't understand why someone would leave our world behind even with everything that was going wrong. I told him that I thought I was stuck being who and what I was and that I didn't think shaving my head or wearing robes or moving to a distant Minbari colony would change that. He didn't exactly like what I had to say. He said I was foolish and naive and way too optimistic for my own good. He said I was compromising myself by staying.

Guilt for me has always turned into duty somehow. During the war and occupation, I felt guilt for what Londo was doing... actually, I felt guilt for what many Centauri were doing in general. And because of that, I felt a responsibility to Londo... to the Centauri. I wish I could say I've always accepted what I think is my duty with grace... but that's not true. I've tried the best I can, but I have been tempted... I have gotten angry and frustrated and sometimes I've lost my patience with Londo... and one time, *softly, voice cracking slightly* I very nearly lost my faith. But, even though on a few very bad nights, I contemplated it, I never, ever could bring myself to abandon Londo or my world. Hope was a part of that, of course... hope that Londo would one day listen to what his own heart was telling him... hope that my people would listen to the better parts of themselves. But the guilt and responsibility I felt for all the things I couldn't prevent kept me here as well, I guess because I wanted to make things right again.

I hope that answers your questions, Ms. Judge, and that I haven't confused you. I ramble sometimes.

Re: the Vir/Morden fic - it's so good, actual existance could only improve it.

Me again. *g* You guys have talked me into it. Well, not the sex part. But the Vir-seeing-Morden-before-his-death-part? Oh, yes. See my reply to selenak below.

The only problem with the Vir/Morden story, on second reading, was that truly awful double entendre about Morden's head on a pike...

But surely the way in which Morden tried everything to provoke Vir into killing him (since he knew this would be painless compared to with what Londo had in mind), down to implying Vir was jealous because of the hold Morden had over Londo, more than might up for it.

Though admittedly I do have my doubts about Hobs quoting "I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want" in the opening paragraph. This comes close to songfic.

I don't know who Luc Deradi is,

Now I`m pouting.

And now I'm embarrassed. I loved that fic!

*curtseys*

Thank you.*g*

But surely the way in which Morden tried everything to provoke Vir into killing him (since he knew this would be painless compared to with what Londo had in mind), down to implying Vir was jealous because of the hold Morden had over Londo, more than might up for it.

Okay. You crazy chicas have talked me into it. Not into Vir/Morden mind. But I am suddenly super in love with the idea of Vir seeing Morden before Londo has his way with him and, as selenak suggested above, Morden attempting to provoke Vir in order to escape a protracted, painful death. There would be much powerful talk about the hatred inside of Vir and "Do you really think you're better?" and... guh! MUST. WRITE.

Yay!!!!

(I love Vir's dark side.)

And remember, considering Vir does the little waving and smiling AFTERWARDS, it can't exactly end with inner peace.

Plus Morden so would, wouldn't he? Am looking very forward to this indeed.

Btw, rising at this ungodly hour has proven worth it. G'Kar finally replied to Londo and posted. Lond replied to the reply.

Even more angst here.

*SOB*

I think we need some Londo&Vir h/c...

We do, once G'Kar is off to Minbar and Londo is sober again. He already asked Garibaldi to play guardian during the one day or so from their arrival on the station till the point where G'Kar leaves. (The reason why he didn't ask Vir was that he suspects Vir would encourage him to go after G'Kar or send a message, as opposed to punching him out should he try to do either, which is what he asked Garibaldi for.) Of course, Garibaldi who isn't the most stable guy in the universe right now might decline...

But in any case, once G'Kar is gone to Minbar, it's time for that Londo & Vir ampersand!

Oh dear. You do realize that Vir is going to go half mad with hurt (that Londo won't depend on him) and worry in the meantime, yes?

Vir is going to get an extra message explaining all, only not now because the hotel I'm currently staying at doesn't have a phone connection in each room, and I'm using the director's office to catch up with my mail. Hopefully, tomorrow's hotel will be different, at which point I'll write the all Vir, all the time message.

Though Garibaldi did say yes. And you have to admit that Vir WOULD tell Londo to go after G'Kar, which would defeat the purpose of the exercise...

Well, an all Vir, all the time message would certainly head off hurt feelings. But the worry? Oh, no, that's not going away.

'Tis true, 'tis true that Vir would encourage Londo to go after G'Kar. My poor, sweet baby. He just wants his friend to be happy. *hugs Vir*

I arrived at a new hotel and immeditely wrote Londo's message to Vir. Which I presume will now result in correspondance between you and Sabine.*g*

(I thought that was really cunning of me and Londo, in the midst of our despair.)

Aah! You're evil! In an oh so good way. Sending a message to Sa now. *g*

So he is. Bad G'Kar. No cookie. Poor kicked owl of a darling Vir.

BTW, firstly, on a more cheerful note, check out the tea time threat - Londo addressed him again in the middle of the latest reply to Anna.

Secondly, if Vir should show up at one point during Londo's getting-wasted-session with Garibaldi, Londo would probably not be able to send him away, so if you think Vir would do that, go ahead, just not immediately (some more talk in order with G. first).

BTW, firstly, on a more cheerful note, check out the tea time threat - Londo addressed him again in the middle of the latest reply to Anna.

I'll head over there now.

Secondly, if Vir should show up at one point during Londo's getting-wasted-session with Garibaldi, Londo would probably not be able to send him away

Especially not after being faced with Vir's "kicked owl" look, which he will most certainly be wearing when he arrives in a few hours. (As you say, I'm allowing you some quality time with the G-Man- and, apparently, the Jedi *g*- first. *g*) G'Kar has left him quite upset and he needs a hug like nobody's business.

...that the best medicine for Londo in a brooding mood is actually taking care of someone else (I noticed that when Garibaldi acted so distressed upon the unwelcome reminder Sinclair once ditched him for duty, too), so really, Vir showing up could have very nice h/c results for both of 'em.

(And there's an off chance Londo could feel motivated to storm out and yell at G'Kar.*g*)

...that the best medicine for Londo in a brooding mood is actually taking care of someone else (I noticed that when Garibaldi acted so distressed upon the unwelcome reminder Sinclair once ditched him for duty, too), so really, Vir showing up could have very nice h/c results for both of 'em.

My thoughts exactly.

Vir has arrived by the way. I set it many hours later to leave it open for the Garibaldi thread should you guys wish to continue it.

(And there's an off chance Londo could feel motivated to storm out and yell at G'Kar.*g*)

LOL! That occured to me too as I was eating my lunch. *g*

"I love, you," he briefly paused, "and not the same way I would love a brother," he said nervously as he looked into Steven's deep brown eyes. He had always felt something for the man, ever since the time they first met. However it wasn't until the events which transpired that day that he truly realized them. Despite Steven's weight, the man buttoned his shirt so neatly, so nice and tidy...."


I know that towards the end there were some issues regarding Guber and his sexuality towards the end of the show. However, I never thought he would act on those feelings, especially not with Steven, and Steven's reaction! I was shocked!