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londovir- by iamsab

Still feeling the wank tonight

(BTW, there's a new challenge on celestial_templ.)

A few disgruntled comments inspired by reading ds9agogo:

Babylon 5 is not some holy temple of gay- I really don’t get the Trek/B5 rivalry surrounding this. If you blink, you miss the whole Susan/Talia thing in filmed canon. And the subtext (which in my humble opinion is comparable to the subtext on Trek, if the popularity of Garak/Bashir is any indication) is exactly that- subtext. Which means it’s open to interpretation. (Except for Londo/G’Kar. Because, you know, theirloveissoobviouslycanon. *g*)



While we on the subject of the gay, I have a confession to make: I’ve never really been all that incensed about the lack of it on either B5 or Trek and, in all honesty, all of these demands for a gay character in Trek or elsewhere grate on my nerves. I explained my reasons for this in short on ds9agogo, but I would like to expand on them a bit.

In my long and checkered career as a fangirl, I have, in some sense or another, developed an emotional connection to a pretty wide range of fictional characters: a Bajoran former terrorist; a middle-aged male surgeon; a man in his thirties who got tomorrow’s newspaper today and his two best friends, one of whom was both black and blind; a insecure but incisively smart middle-aged male vice principal with a passion for classical music; and, at the last, two pouchy aliens with funny hair and tentacles and a lizard-marsupial. On the surface, only a few of these characters have anything in common with me, a 20-something, white, female American who (currently) works in retail. Yet they all spoke to me in some way, whether it was through my aspirations, my desires, my regrets, my values, something I felt I was lacking at a particular point in time, memories of a rocky adolescence, etc. And all of the above characters achieved this connection because they were fleshed out characters with a number of dimensions.

This, I feel, is how it should be with all entertainment media- our attention should be focused on creating whole people to live in the universes we envision. The goal should not be to acquire political approval or to fill some perceived quota. “Hmm, let’s see… since X percent of people in our population are (fill in the blank), X percent of our characters should be (fill in the blank)” This isn’t a paint-by-numbers exercise- you’re (presumably) trying to reach people with your art. Yes, challenge and dissent are legitimate goals as well, but in this, I follow the KISS rule- Keep It Subtle, Stupid. Make people think- don’t bludgeon them to death with whatever ax you’re currently grinding.

As I said, to set out with the intention of creating a gay character is to run the very great risk of creating a character who is only gay and nothing else. In other words, you run the risk of creating a character that is, in fan-speak, “teh suck”- a one-dimensional character with no flaws, no quirks, no nothing beyond the gay. Allow me to show you one way in particular that this might happen without you intending it with a little thought exercise:

Imagine that Londo Mollari is introduced as a gay character- that, for example, he has a brief and passionate love affair with a male Centauri instead of Adira. Assume that every other personal trait is constant and that his story line proceeds as it does in the true canon.

Could you imagine the outcry? And I’m not just talking about right-wing groups. The left would demand JMS’s head for the “blatant homophobia” inherent in making The Gay Character the one who allies with the Shadows. Even though Londo’s choice has absolutely nothing to do with whom he is shagging. Even though Londo evolves and changes and eventually dies doing something profoundly noble.

In this day and age, writing an openly gay character means locking your creativity in an itty-bitty box. Your gay character will constantly labor under the responsibility of “representing.” You can’t allow your gay character to do evil things. You can’t kill your gay character, even if it is appropriate for the plot. You can’t, in short, allow your gay character to be a whole, unique person. And that's why I, personally, object to all this agitation over the absence of gay characters in Trek (or elsewhere).



So, there we are. I’ve said my piece. And I think I’m pretty safe from accusations of homophobia given my recent Londo/G’Kar tentacle pr0n kick. But still…

*puts on her asbestos suit and waits for the wank to begin*

Comments

gays in the media

One of the problems with integrating gay characters into tv shows is that, unlike say, color, the only way you can indicate sexuality is through word or action. You can't have a character be "indicated" gay without falling into stereotypes that are even more hideous than outright invisibility.

So then you're faced with the question of "how do I write this character and his/her involvement with someone of the same sex." If its a one off thing, people get mad because they feel like it's a throwaway relationship, placed into the show just to prove that a character is "gay" (eg: Talia/Ivanova.*) But why spend valuable airtime on an ongoing romance that may not have anything to do with the plot if all you want to do is establish a character's sexuality. I think that most writers in the industry are working so hard just to get to the stories they want to do, that they just don't want to spend the time.

Does that make sense? I'm in no way endorsing this, BTW. I just think that the whole question is immensly complicated.

I mean, unfortunately, part of the outcry and the need for "visibility" is that when you look at a show, the viewing audience simply assumes that unless they see "gay" behaviour, the characters are het. Joss Whedon said that the majority of the letters he received came after New Moon Rising. Because until that ep, people just didn't seem to get that Tara and Willow were involved.

I personally don't understand it. One of the reasons I loved the whole Willow/Tara arc was that they took their time and let us watch them fall in love just as slowly as they had developed the Oz?Willow relationship. And they even had many of the same markers, always being together, holding hands, the introduction to the Scoobies. By the time NMR happened, I sure as hell knew they were an item!

But for many, many people, they didn't know Willow was bi and in a relationship with Tara until it was explicitly spelled out to them.

I liked the way B5 normalized homosexuality, as much as I liked the way the Jossverse contextualizes it in a world that doesn't see same-sex love unless the relationship is spelled out explicitly. I think the fact that they used "gay" characters differently has a lot to do with that very difference in context.

:)pg

*Personally, though I was sad that they hadn't built that relationship from the beginning, which would have made that episode so very much more painful, I was glad they put it in, especially since it informed the Ivonanva/Marcus dynamic so much.