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Heeee.

After reading the conversation between selenak and andrastewhite below andrastewhite's latest entry, I am now determined to compile a master list of slash cliches, crossing off those that were used- and turned on their heads- for Londo and G'Kar.

But you guys will have to help me with this- Londo/G'Kar is my first foray into slash, so I am largely unaware of what constitutes a slash cliche. *g*

So far, this is all I have:

1. Stuck in an enclosed space, the characters are forced to get to know each other. Used in Convictions. The Londo/G'Kar twist: No speshul understanding is reached. Instead, G'Kar is content to die so long as Londo dies as well.

And:

2. Telepathy. Used in Dust to Dust. The Londo/G'Kar twist: The telepathic encounter is far from benign- it would not overstate the matter to characterize G'Kar's actions as a mind rape.

Edited to add: I just thought of another one...

3. A benevolent third party brings the couple together. Used in Strange Relations. The Londo/G'Kar take: Delenn assigns G'Kar to be Londo's bodyguard as a supposedly symbolic gesture. Londo sees right through it. *g*
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Hee, fun times. You should put this on your website. ^__^ I'd suggest the one where Londo won't give G'Kar his flower & Sinclair has to mediate between them. XD Is it cliche enough? It is flower-giving, anyway.

Right, now let's see if I can remember everything I had to say...
Love that Vir banner you got for Theatrical Muse. WAY cool. Also, very very excited to see Londo making his grand entrance there. You're a great writer for Vir & he's adorable. =^.^=
I've never been anything less than serious about Londo/G'Kar OTP...OTOH I've always found them hysterically funny together, so it's kinda hard to explain to people. "Yes, I really do feel strongly about this shipping, and yes they crack me up, but I'm serious, I am!!!!"^^

Londo vs Dukat (<----did I spell his name right?): They're both very interesting characters. However, Londo makes you feel for him no matter what. And I LOVE him but sometimes I just want to kick him in the pants. Yet I still love him. Dukat...is very cool, yet doesn't quite elicit the same empathy as Londo does. IMHO. ^_^
You should put this on your website.

I think I will once I've compiled the full list. *g* I may also write a general essay on the "Londo/G'Kar? What exactly have you been smoking and can I have some?" question. *g* (I've already written something on their relationship in general, but I didn't really address the raging subtext. *g*)

Love that Vir banner you got for Theatrical Muse.

Me too. I ooh and ah over it all the damn time. *g*

Also, very very excited to see Londo making his grand entrance there.

And selenak is doing an awsome job so far, isn't she? I'm sitting here right now trying to formulate some sort of in-character response.

You're a great writer for Vir & he's adorable.

Thank you and yes, he is. *g*

"Yes, I really do feel strongly about this shipping, and yes they crack me up, but I'm serious, I am!!!!"

"Because it's funny" is the short, flip answer to "Why Londo/G'Kar?" *g* Even JMS, Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas all know that it's funny. *g*

However, Londo makes you feel for him no matter what. And I LOVE him but sometimes I just want to kick him in the pants. Yet I still love him.

There is a scientific term that I invented for such a reaction- the Londo Effect.

The Londo Effect

Def: The curious sensation of wanting to both punch and hug a character at the same time. See also: Love/Hate Relationship.

hm, slash clichés, let's see:

- X has to act as Y's bodyguard in a dangerous situation, usually involving either X's or Y's own people; in the process X and Y grow closer, until they end up in the same bed

(The Londo/G'Kar twist: we have no proof they did anything but sleeping there, but otherwise JMS followed the guidelines here *g*)

- X is tortured horribly by a third party; Y finds him in a dungeon/lonely plateau/otherwise conveniently isolated situation; hurt/comfort fanfic ensues, usually but not always followed by sex

(Not much comfort, except if you count G'Kar being given the promise Londo will free Narn, but hey.)

- X and Y, in denial about their attraction towards each other, have sex with the same woman, who usually points out to them that they're destined for each other.

(One word: Mariel.)

- X and Y go from trying to kill each other to friendship to love, never mind all canon obstacles

- Liebestod, dear, Liebestod! (Aka: dying with each other)

I'm sure there are others, but it's late (have just celebrated the new year), I'm beat, so these are all I can come up with.

Also: did you read londonkds's 'shipping meme? A male Londo/G'Kar 'shipper, no less!