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londogkarlotr- by iamsab

This moment of "Eee!" is brought to you by Volume 1 of JMS's B5 Scripts.

Regarding Londo and G'Kar:

"And each of them can see something of himself in the other ... which is why they must begin as enemies, because we all too often hate most in other people what we see in the mirror. In the end, it is that commonality which allows them to finally understand the wounds in each other's heart."

JMS is such a slasher, and he doesn't even know it. *eg*

He also notes - among other things that will be discussed later - that it might be of interest to compare these drafts of the scripts with the finished products, and that certainly is a task I would love to undertake, even though it would involve watching the series yet again. It's a burden, but I think I might come to accept it. Which I guess goes to show that my inner callow teenager hasn't died just yet. :P

Now, back to writing my D*C report and my response to WQ...

And PS: Thank you all for the holiday music suggestions you offered in the previous thread.
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JMS is such a slasher, and he doesn't even know it. *eg*

*lol* But yeah, it's interesting to see him summing up the relationship that way (considering that I only started slashing them after I'd seen G'Kar trying to kill/die with Londo in a elevator...which is totally ZOMG they have to have sex!! Oh, JMS is so much less shallow than me, heh heh). Heart-rending stuff. *nod nod*
And that's not even the best summation JMS has ever written. That honorific belongs to a passage in the Londo-centered short story JMS wrote for Amazing Stories, The Shadow of His Thoughts, which begins when Londo asks a young seer about his future:

Shiri considered her words carefully. "I see little joy, and much sorrow," she said at last. "I see fire and death and pain. I see you betrayed by almost everyone you have ever trusted."
"Almost everyone?"
"Your greatest enemy is also your greatest friend, and the trust you place in him is rewarded at the end of days. He is your freedom, and you are his. And in the end..." She hesitated, then forced herself to continue. "In the end, you die in the arms of your friend, and he dies in yours, that a world might live."


Perhaps I've been wired wrong, but I read this - and the bit of commentary quoted in the OP above - as a patently romantic description.

It is true, though, that the elevator scene is a recognized slash cliche. ;)
Meep! That is true love through and through. ♥ (Oh, Great Maker, I feel the urge to make a G'Kar/Londo Elevator Smut icon now >;3)
*Grins at your callow teenager*

I watched it when I was thirteen, and even then, saw that some things were imperfect. Some eps absolutely made me want to cry with disappointment, and if I could remember which ones they were, I probably wouldn't watch them again. I did notice something about what you said...I think it was that Earthgov was almost inherently cheesy, and that made me smile. When I watched it, I noticed that, but I owed it to them being corrupt politicians- who always sound cheesy and idealistic. XD

And yet, in spite of the fact that I started out watching B5 with my family and not really wanting to (I thought my brother had gotten Deep Space Nine and was disappointed. I only can wonder why, since DS9 is truly worse), I found I was pulled into the show. I loved it without really knowing why (maybe because my who-dunnit radar has always been really bad). I think...I think the characters and the acting transcends the show. ^^
I did notice something about what you said...I think it was that Earthgov was almost inherently cheesy, and that made me smile.

Well, it wasn't me who said that. That link was to a critique of the show on Asking the Wrong Questions. That is a part of the critique with which I agreed, though. During my second viewing in 2003 (when I was 24), I definitely recall warning my younger brother to look out for the three ton anvil before we hit the incredibly obvious WWII reference. *g*

As for the parts where my opinion and WQ's differ, on the other hand... those reactions are being written right now. I'm just incredibly slow. *g*

I actually watched B5 when it originally aired because, in my area, it came on after DS9 (I was a Trek fan then, and I still am to a certain extent, particularly when it comes to DS9 - but YMMV, as always ;)). But contrary to WQ's characterization of the fandom in general, I didn't come to love B5 with an obsessive passion until I watched the show again in 2003 as a young adult with a college education under her belt. Now, perhaps this was due to the fact that at that very moment, I happened to meet a number of people here who introduced me to the sheer joy of mildly subversive meta-analysis. Perhaps what I love so much now is the brain exercise provided by this little corner of the fandom and not, necessarily, the entire text itself. Then again, as even WQ acknowledged, why would someone waste their time even subverting a show if it didn't, in some way, reach that someone on a fundamental level? The fact that B5 succeeds at this - even if it falls short on a number of its particulars - makes it better than 90% of the dross that has ever been aired on television. And that's a fact.

But, you know, I should really save the rest for the response post. *g*